we may be looking to china and india first. >> stephen: you say that obama doesn't have an east west outlook. he has more of a north south. >> right. >> stephen: what dow mean by north south outlook. >> what i just said, that he --. >> stephen: but again when i ask questions it means i generally don't understand. >> he does not instinctively look to europe. and obama himself says in his autobiography that he doesn't have that same personal emotional connection to europe. and so i think he's a president for the post western world, actually. >> stephen: how does the united states, you say that the united states and europe you fear they are in great decline, irrecoverable klein? >> i think it is almost a case wean between the united states and europe what i might call competitive decac -- -- deck dense. >> stephen: we're going to win that. >> i haven't been too sure. >> stephen: have you ever been to the cheesecake factory? (applause) death by qhok lat, my friend. >> have you been to greece lately. >> stephen: yes, i have. timothy garton ash. the facts are subversive. we'll be right bac